PICC: Energy COOL or Energy Con?

What would you think if someone offered you, for $1000, to increase your fuel mileage by almost an order of magnitude?  How about a statement that every single vehicle in America can be pushed above 100 miles per gallons?  Well, one exhibitor at WIREC made this claim.

Okay, perhaps you and I are fellow citizens because, for this, I’m from Missouri: Show Me! 

And, a booth display and lavish claims just don’t provide the proof of the pudding that makes me embrace this claim that would, if true, do a tremendous amount to solve America’s oil challenges overnight.

The Pre-Ignition Catalytic Converter (PICC) is advertising as improving fuel efficiency by ‘cracking’ the gasoline prior to ignition rather than having gasoline go through the ignition process for the Catalytic Converter to then handle unburnt gas molecules in the exhaust.  The claim is a substantial increase in the engine’s fuel efficiency.  At one point in the web claims, the statement is up to five times increase in fuel efficiency.  Based on the “case study,” this seems a conservative claim as

we got 9X the fuel efficiency from a gas guzzling 318 V-8 Chrysler engine.  …  Before the PICC modification, the engine used 18 pounds of fuel. At an average weight of 6.15 pounds per gallon for gasoline, that would equal 2.93 gallons of fuel. Converting that into miles per gallon, it got around 22 mpg.

researchers then switched the fuel injection process to the PICC Modification and ran the engine under the exact same conditions for another hour.  Now, the engine used only 2 pounds of fuel instead of 18 — an increase in efficiency of 9x.  In other words, the vehicle traveling at 65 mph up a 30 degree incline for an hour would have obtained almost 200 mpg! 

Now, “while the IPCC is being developed,” you too can get efficiency savings immediately.  The Hydro-Assist Fuel Cell (HAFC) kit provides the capacity to add hydrogen into the fuel prior to ignition “which burns easily and powerfully and enriches your fuel mixture, giving you added mileage and power.”

 We Absolutely Guarantee a Minimum of 50% Increase in Fuel Economy.

And, there are many satisfied customers, such as Dale P from Seattle, Washington,

“I’m tickled pink … I’m driving around in a car that gets 85 mpg. Couldn’t be happier!”

Wow. Don’t you want to be happier too? 

Anyone else ever seen The Music Man?  Why, for example, is there no discussion about the energy cost implications of the hydrogen fuel?While the claimed “gas mileage” increases might be true, isn’t this because there is another fuel being added to the equation? That is just one example …

The video on the site is interesting watching. The Declaration of Energy Independce by Better World technologies opens: “You might have a hard time believing what you see … ”  Absolutely right. And, that this video reminds me of bored moments watching the Home Shopping Network doesn’t boost my confidence.  Does this mean that the PICC is Energy Con?  No, but this Missourian says “Show Me!” before he’ll declare it Energy COOL.

19 responses to “PICC: Energy COOL or Energy Con?

  1. Use your God given brain and do some research on energy suppression. Simply google energy suppression and learn for yourself. You will not have to look to hard to find the truth. Why is it hard to believe a 16 TRILLION DOLLOR A YEAR OIL cartel is corrupt. WAKE UP PEOPLE!!! Do you think the EPA and the FDA are hear to protect the little guy. Who do you think gets ellected to congress and by what $$$ oil and drugs… WAKE UP PLEASE. I did several months ago the view is better form here I promise. The truth shall set us all free. Would you take an scam to Washington DC to show the presisident and congress?

  2. Dave

    So, let’s look at the first hit for “energy suppression”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_energy_suppression

    Free energy suppression is a conspiracy theory which states that advanced technology which would allow us to better meet our energy needs exists today but is being suppressed by special interest groups to whom the status quo is advantageous.

    Many free energy claims, such as extracting zero point energy, are demonstrably impossible under modern science. Conspiracy advocates therefore claim that the scientific community has controlled and suppressed research into alternative avenues of energy production via the institutions of peer review. Other claimed means of suppression include buying the patent of the free energy device from the inventor or his family, suing the inventor or patent holder, or even assassination.

    Where did I (or anyone else) assert that there is not corruption. Anything about EPA or FDA here?

    And, simply read my post: show me.

  3. the real energy suppression is people trying to keep me from telling the truth about Dennis Lee – I have had internet harassments and lawsuits to try to silence my kind of info at
    phact.org/hafc.htm

    if this stuff was real, my requests to have it openly tested from 5 years back would have been followed. I still make an open offer to validate these claims. All the dealers who secretly talk to me say they are waiting on it. But they still take money for it.

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  5. I don’t follow your skepticism. If I’m correct and hydrogen is very very cheeap, then it seems that the mileage increase would still be a rate which would make it a no-brainer to opt for.

  6. Don’t follow the skepticism? How about looking at their advertising material/web site? Any indication there of that “very cheeap” hydrogen and the cost implications for it?

    And, by the way, how about any discussion, for example, about potential safety issues with the hydrogen tank?

    Apologies, I see the website and their presentation at WIREC and am reminded of The Music Man. There might be reality, substance there, but for the moment count me skeptical.

  7. in open discussion forums on the web (not just skeptics like me), common people consider the HAFC ads a likely scam. It’s true, many warning flags go off. I think it probably is a scam – see my web site at
    http://www.phact.org/hafc.htm
    In the event it is not, just find one person who really has the high mileage who is willing to just demonstrate it, and I will try to locate someone near by who can test it. – fact is, I’ve been making this offer to these people for years – no response yet.

    Eric

  8. Rebecca Christiansen

    Thank you for the information regarding Dennis Lee’s scams. I foolishly assumed that a magazine as reputable as Newsweek would screen its advertisers, so this was a good lesson learned. Thank you for saving us from financial foolishness.

  9. Rebecca — I cannot tell you that PICC is a scam just as I cannot tell you that it is substantive and real. I can suggest, however, the style of representation certainly suggests something from the Music Man rather than something of substance. Again, on this one I’m from Missouri, “Show Me …”

  10. The first thing you have to ask yourself is, how much energy is wasted by a modern, computer-controlled, fuel injected gasoline engine. In order to realize a 100% gain in mileage through improved fuel combustion, your engine would have to be blowing half the gas out your exhaust pipe unburnt, and that is simply not the case.

    Internal combustion engines waste a lot of energy, but that is because they produce both heat and pressure but only pressure drives your pistons. As a consequence you need a cooling system with a water pump that robs still more energy. But the HAFC miracle device will not address that.

  11. All you need is a simple course in physics and chemistry from college to know about Karnaugh Cycles and how efficient gas engines are right now, based on the energy potential of gas. Gas burning is a chemical reaction. You can easily predict how much energy total you can get out of gasoline by burning it completely, (completing all chemical reactions possible), then working backwards and seeing how many MPG the car really gets, and that’s the efficiency. Gas engines are what, like 80% efficient right now? So no matter what you do, you’re only going to get about another 20% MPG from the engine itself if it were perfect. sure you can make the car lighter, more aerodynamic, make a hybrid that recycles braking power, but gas engines are pretty much tapped out.

  12. Hey, go to check youtube for more of these informative videos about saving fuel. Still watching does not save. Many people have build their own hydrogen cell and that is really consuming less gasoline and using hydrogen as an supplement.

    I before tought that 2001 Citroen Picasso 2.0l HDI cannot run under 5 littres / 100km but quess what. I was fool enough to try Super Fuel Max and turned out that engine that consumed ab. 6 litres wihout any saving devices could run under manufacturer’s specs. My average consumption was 5.5l / 100km combined driving. If you ask what is it normally the ansver would be ab. 6l / 100km. BUT if you want to save gas you have to start driving economically. That is the problem for most of us.

    I say we shold start using better cars that does not pollute our world. Don’t put down those who are trying it. Do it yourself instead!

    By the way…. Jesus Christ is coming back too and are there many who believe it Him? There should be more!

  13. 1. Yes, “start driving economically.” I can agree with that.

    2. There remain many uncertainties re the claims of performance gains … relative to the enregy (and fiscal) cost of the system. If I only look at gasoline use, I would be shocked if there is not improvement. But, how much energy (and money) to build the system and operate it versus those gasoline savings? I’d like to see independent lab certifications. What is risk to engine of introducing hydrogen into fuel mix? I would like to see independent analysis. What is the potential safety risk? I would like to have automotive experts examine it.

    Almost without exception, I feel like I am encountering The Music Man when I look at the websites of these systems and deal with people promoting them. Does that mean that they are scams / Energy Cons? No, not necessarily. But, I am not ready to produce them Energy COOL>

  14. To drive up this hill in a 3800lb car for 1 mile (870 mega joules of energy if you just consider the effects of gravity and not wind resistance or rolling resistance) the absolute best mpg you can get would be 10mpg if this device could create 100% efficency of burn (there is 40 megajoules in 3.25 gallons of gas)
    Also a 30 deg incline is the same incline as my roof. I can’t walk up my roof. Were the hell is a 30 deg. incline road.

  15. Archaeologist recently discovered a stone tablet in a Neanderthal dig site in Southeastern Germany. No one believed that the Neandertals had developed a system of writing–until now!

    When translated, the message on the stone table read: “If it sounds too good to be true, it is!”

  16. I have been openly soliciting to see real evidence for any super high mileage mods for 12 years – I have been trying since 6 years ago to see any of Dennis Lee’s high mileage claims to work and for more than a year, I have tried to get anyone with hafc working to show me or credible witnesses – nothing. But they claim thousands of happy customers – why can’t anyone help me arrange for just one to openly show it to unbiased witnesses. All I can find is dozens of people who expect it to “soon” run.

    Eric Krieg

  17. cant you see all of you are idiots.
    stop wasting your life arguing about a fake product on the internet. go out and do someting about the condition our world is in.
    maybe someday the ppl in this world will stop f***ing everything up for those generations after them.
    Peace.
    -Owen

  18. Is no one discussing hydrogen embrittlement. Granted most engine blocks are cast iron or aluminum, but your valves are usually polished high strength steel or , in some instances, stainless steel. What about long term concequences from running very lean, which is what you are doing? Fuel is used as a lubricant and as a coolant for the combustion chamber. If you run an engine lean long enough you “will” burn up your valves and maybe even burn a hole in the piston. Until these concerns are not addressed I am not willing to potentially destroy my engine in the long run. If none of these instances are true then I will gladly jump on board. I would like some scientific backing first.

  19. I have put an HAFC unit on my 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 4WD 5.7 Hemi. It increased my mileage from 13 to 20 MPG. You guys keep babbling, I prefer to do. There are problems with balancing voltages with the two banks of O2 sensors and a distinct lack of technical support from Dutchman, Dennis Lee and his ilk. Our goal is 30 MPG and we will achieve it if it is possible. I will not hesitate to let you all know if there are any problems in the future but for now my tail pipe is cleaned up, my mileage is good and we look forward to the availability of the PICC. I am concerned that Dennis keeps putting off the release of the PICC. Other things that concern me is the “2000 dealerships” out there which have only sold 10,000 units, then I hear that only 7,000 units are in use. If anything makes me think scam it’s the lack of a consistent story from the many sources and bloggers out there who won’t try the technology themselves and just declare it a scam.

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